tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post5087886317955977025..comments2024-03-22T11:37:52.668-05:00Comments on Byzantine, Texas: What hath Amman wrought?Byzantine, TXhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17845681957622343484noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-43302340526169908392020-02-28T23:09:38.053-06:002020-02-28T23:09:38.053-06:00AB Elpidophoros is the author of the disgraceful t...AB Elpidophoros is the author of the disgraceful teaching of Bartholomew as "first without equals". Epiphany was a puppet of Philaret...now he is a puppet of Bartholomew. The OCA would be wise to run very far from the GOA. They are crashing and burning.Mikailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06189539560391433081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-68594220871182316052020-02-28T20:21:19.734-06:002020-02-28T20:21:19.734-06:00Given the controversial nature of the OCA's au...Given the controversial nature of the OCA's autocephalous status, I don't think they would be a good facilitator for such discussions. <br /><br />The fact that the GOA and the OCA are growing closer should be a cause for celebration, not derision. Archbishop Elpidophoros is his own man, as the fireeaters will soon discover (much like they were wrong about Metropolitan Epiphany, who is not a "Philaret puppet" as they sanctimoniously predicted).David B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12585542870280397211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-14598910344543771312020-02-28T12:31:28.136-06:002020-02-28T12:31:28.136-06:00So what role does tikhons play? He has, in my hum...So what role does tikhons play? He has, in my humble opinion, been much too cozy with elphy as of late,,,,,but they do say keep your enemies closer,,,,too bad kyrill will not be on the USA this summerr j klanckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18000371679565046691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-30627574299318508092020-02-27T21:11:03.091-06:002020-02-27T21:11:03.091-06:00Moscow will not recognize the OCU because it is a ...Moscow will not recognize the OCU because it is a pseudo "church" of laymen playing pretend by dressing like clergy.Mikailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06189539560391433081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-65288726976832836922020-02-27T19:30:07.555-06:002020-02-27T19:30:07.555-06:00The suffering people of the Middle East need our l...The suffering people of the Middle East need our love and prayers, we can agree on that.David B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12585542870280397211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-82077946110933692632020-02-27T19:26:38.973-06:002020-02-27T19:26:38.973-06:00SyriaSyriaWallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12074757453191661543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-37682584910715314342020-02-27T19:02:47.330-06:002020-02-27T19:02:47.330-06:00Jake, I tend not to think along those lines. T...Jake, I tend not to think along those lines. That isn't delusional, but trust in Divine Providence. The EP and MP have to talk with each other directly. There is no other way. The MP is trying to "gather" the other Churches to force the EP's hand. It doesn't work like that, and the EP said as much in their second letter to Jerusalem. Whatever you think of the EP's position on primacy or whatever, I think they are right on this point.<br /><br />The only way for this to be worked out, is for the MP to open a line of communication to the EP directly. It needs to be Patriarchate to Patriarchate. No one else. That is why Antioch and the others who are otherwise sympathetic to Moscow balked at this meeting. They realize the truth of the matter. Send a delegation to the Phanar to talk. The EP would receive them. Does anyone think that Archbishop Elpidophoros would have had that meeting with Metropolitan Hilarion without HAH Bartholomew's blessing? The line of communication is open. Jerusalem should have gone to the EP directly to talk about it. Why be indirect? Why play political games?<br /><br />EP, MP, OCU, UOC-MP. <b> That's it </b>. Nobody else should be in the conversation yet. The Church isn't a street gang. This indirect political mess will only further the conflict. A 4 way meeting.<br /><br />Wallace, there is no war. Prayer is always needed, especially now as we enter Great Lent.David B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12585542870280397211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-58556153703905182282020-02-27T18:17:13.410-06:002020-02-27T18:17:13.410-06:00Friends, war is upon us. Now is the time to put a...Friends, war is upon us. Now is the time to put aside our disagreements and pray. Pray to God that this will not lead to a nuclear exchange.Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12074757453191661543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-63405704596311040002020-02-27T17:44:25.318-06:002020-02-27T17:44:25.318-06:00"I think Archbishop Elpidophoros and Metropol..."I think Archbishop Elpidophoros and Metropolitan Hilarion being the point men for these negotiations with Antioch moderating in America is a good format..."<br /><br />But David, do we know this is in fact what was happening? The point of that meeting could have been something far darker, like how a divorce couple still meets amicably to discuss how to sell the house, and who has the kids on which weekends...Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-72040265103729931652020-02-27T17:11:08.658-06:002020-02-27T17:11:08.658-06:00What was there to talk about, really? Moscow is ...What was there to talk about, really? Moscow is not willing to even consider a conditional recognition of the OCU in some form, so there is no way forward. The only Churches that attended were those who have already sided with Moscow. The dialogue has to happen between the EP and MP first. The meeting between Metropolitan Hilarion and Archbishop Elpidophoros in America is an example of what actually needs to happen. The EP and MP have to sit down, and Metropolitan Onuphry AND Epiphany must also be at the table. <br /><br />Any "Pan-Orthodox" meeting at this point is just the EP or MP rallying their "factions." HAH Bartholomew was quite right when he said exactly this.<br /><br />I think Archbishop Elpidophoros and Metropolitan Hilarion being the point men for these negotiations with Antioch moderating in America is a good format, with Metropolitan Onuphry and Epiphany also there. Just those four men at the table, with Archbishop Joseph as the mediator.David B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12585542870280397211noreply@blogger.com