tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post8321307505201862477..comments2024-03-22T11:37:52.668-05:00Comments on Byzantine, Texas: Arida, scholars, and apostates on Crete council documentByzantine, TXhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17845681957622343484noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-38624240833995763192016-06-16T11:46:48.323-05:002016-06-16T11:46:48.323-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-21484478942901963542016-06-16T11:46:30.762-05:002016-06-16T11:46:30.762-05:00Gegory,
Yep. Of course, "they" (those ...Gegory,<br /><br />Yep. Of course, "they" (those who think in this way) would say that they are speaking in terms of not judging your neighbor and the Kingdom being open and available to anyone no matter the sin/condition/circumstance as long as they are willing to open themselves to it. Strangely however, these well intentioned folks don't seem to be willing (or able?) to admit the "unintended consequences" of such ambiguous language.<br /><br />In the end, it takes inSpirited leadership to see and navigate around the danger(s) of language (and the "spirit of the age"), and the fact is that this EPcate (Bartholomew and everyone under him) have not been able to do this for (quite literally) a 100 years or so now...<br /><br />Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-76470591445949354112016-06-16T11:06:28.304-05:002016-06-16T11:06:28.304-05:00Jake,
As a repentant (and forever repenting) Ortho...Jake,<br />As a repentant (and forever repenting) Orthodox gay man I agree with you. My point was: what *doesn't* that phrase open the door to? What madness!Gregory Manninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798975083337963164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-25319760981952395482016-06-15T18:38:27.151-05:002016-06-15T18:38:27.151-05:00Gregory,
The "any other condition" is o...Gregory,<br /><br />The "any other condition" is of course assumed to mean (and as it stands the language is too ambiguous to mean anything) by the reformers (Arida and his allies) to mean our "identity" - which of course means our sexual identity.<br /><br />The anthropology is of course modern and self-willed. Even if you accept homosexualism as a biological fact/given, you can not accept it's realization/acting out in the classical ascetical Truth of the Church (just as I can't accept my heterosexual and "born with" desire to procreate with as many women as I can in a day).<br /><br />These reformers of course know this, they just want what they want - so they are intentionally subversive...Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-92050848136333056312016-06-15T18:30:18.415-05:002016-06-15T18:30:18.415-05:00"of making present the eschatological hope of..."of making present the eschatological hope of the new creation in which “race, gender, age, social, or any other condition” are no bar to shared eucharistic celebration." "OR ANY OTHER CONDITION"?! Gregory Manninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798975083337963164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-88268393245306643332016-06-15T18:29:43.239-05:002016-06-15T18:29:43.239-05:00"of making present the eschatological hope of..."of making present the eschatological hope of the new creation in which “race, gender, age, social, or any other condition” are no bar to shared eucharistic celebration." "OR ANY OTHER CONDITION"?! Gregory Manninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798975083337963164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-58939391874163871372016-06-15T17:33:27.613-05:002016-06-15T17:33:27.613-05:00AbbaMoses:
Fordham's misnamed "Orthodox ...AbbaMoses:<br /><br />Fordham's misnamed "Orthodox Studies Center" is lead and funded by folks who would reform the Church along modernist lines - this is widely known (Demacopoulos himself is director of it currently).<br /><br />Much more of a problem is Arida, and his bishops who tolerate his subversive (of the Church's normative anthropology, ontology, and moral norms) reform agenda. It goes back to the widely known compromising these bishops have indulged in their own ranks for 50 years (at least).<br /><br />In the end, it is of course symptomatic of that particular (mostly NE) Orthodox "liberal" (though that term is flawed in that its myriad connotations are too much of a distraction) who have long ago given too much to the world and its insatiable demand for the soul, and now are looking for any and all ways to justify the worlds judgments as to what a human being is - which of course has implications as to what our sexuality is and how it should be ordered...<br /><br />To put it simply: It's all about sex, sex, and more sex with these folks, and of course the reforming the Church's "fundamentalist" understanding and ascetic practice...Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-66795874306251771922016-06-15T16:28:08.545-05:002016-06-15T16:28:08.545-05:00Though I don't agree with everything in it, I ...Though I don't agree with everything in it, I found Fr. Andrew Louth's essay on the Council at Public Orthodoxy much better than the rest.Samuel J. Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12766238466391394665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-21793444014192399482016-06-15T13:27:27.142-05:002016-06-15T13:27:27.142-05:00Sadly the conciliar document on marriage is weak e...Sadly the conciliar document on marriage is weak enough to invite this kind of savage pseudo-scholarly critique. Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813765935508406812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-39080446731361331872016-06-15T13:09:35.516-05:002016-06-15T13:09:35.516-05:00I am reminded of George Orwell's quote:
"...I am reminded of George Orwell's quote:<br /><br />"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink."Brantley Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02847021322721436245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-5615678141362907612016-06-15T13:04:57.736-05:002016-06-15T13:04:57.736-05:00Also, why does Fordham always seem to come into th...Also, why does Fordham always seem to come into these things? (I just read the "published by" notice at the end of the essay)<br />Palomnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02543658872512777512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-9911663568663439862016-06-15T12:58:57.455-05:002016-06-15T12:58:57.455-05:00A few observations.
1. When these "scholarly&...A few observations.<br />1. When these "scholarly" manifestos appear from time to time, I'm always grateful that none of the scholars practice their arts at any of our seminaries.<br />2. What is the "international community"? It obviously doesn't include, say, Russia, Greece or Georgia. It seems to mean "Western post-Christian nations".<br />3. What do "human rights" mean when the list of "human rights" is adjusted every few years by political bodies? In that situation it's hard to say that the term has any philosophical content.<br />4. As with claims of "Orthodox fundamentalism", I find myself wanting over and over to ask, "Would you give me some examples?". In this case, how about spelling out what arrangements are "desired or necessary for companionship"? The whole essay is full of slithery phrases.Palomnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02543658872512777512noreply@blogger.com