tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post1244219604408012133..comments2024-03-22T11:37:52.668-05:00Comments on Byzantine, Texas: Let's get real about black vestmentsByzantine, TXhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17845681957622343484noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-66150728704422343612021-04-20T13:19:17.910-05:002021-04-20T13:19:17.910-05:00Thanks for posting this link Sophia.Thanks for posting this link Sophia.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-4051628377982378162021-04-20T10:18:17.166-05:002021-04-20T10:18:17.166-05:00Nonsense article.Nonsense article.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04888192407349258556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-6390395172578870932021-04-19T13:34:53.946-05:002021-04-19T13:34:53.946-05:00I find this podcast (with a transcript!) from an O...I find this podcast (with a transcript!) from an Orthodox liturgical tailor about colors much more informative: https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/kwtailor/why_everything_you_thought_you_knew_about_color_was_wrongSophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015563451299704224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-57697237536268469242021-04-16T20:37:11.978-05:002021-04-16T20:37:11.978-05:00The theory and practice of the colors of light and...The theory and practice of the colors of light and the pigments used for coloring fabric are quite different therefore the entire premise of the article is without meritMichael Baumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03025213649848660526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-30041777411120426892021-04-16T13:17:53.820-05:002021-04-16T13:17:53.820-05:00Also “mary” source been “may.”Also “mary” source been “may.”sam kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932709664641382949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-23682962319309979082021-04-16T13:17:22.815-05:002021-04-16T13:17:22.815-05:00Previous was a typo. Precious, rather.Previous was a typo. Precious, rather.sam kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932709664641382949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-2443557156337795262021-04-16T13:16:32.183-05:002021-04-16T13:16:32.183-05:00In Seminary i was told black mary have been worn i...In Seminary i was told black mary have been worn in byzantine times on the feast of the nativity because it was seen as as very beautiful and previous as the dark dye was nearly impossible to make. I wish i had a source. It was at St Vlads.sam kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932709664641382949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-91447743049568220172021-04-16T12:17:31.063-05:002021-04-16T12:17:31.063-05:00I agree arguments are a bit tenuous. Liturgical c...I agree arguments are a bit tenuous. Liturgical colors help people enter into the liturgical cycle and the arguments here could be used against purple or any color. That being said, Personally I'm not a fan of black just as its another color and expense on top of the other colors a church uses that doesn't give a big effect on top of purple. A mission church should be able to get along with red, white, gold, blue and green; then add purple; after that there is probably another priority (iconography) that is better return on the investment. Michael Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03910016378835393764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-69649945655510796202021-04-16T11:43:59.477-05:002021-04-16T11:43:59.477-05:00I'm sorry but almost every argument in this es...I'm sorry but almost every argument in this essay is total nonsense. If you want to eschew black because it comes from western practice, then you must eschew all liturgical colors because the entire system is western. Historically, Eastern vestments were wildly polychrome and there was absolutely no sense that they should match each other or that the colors mean anything. The only distinction was between "bright" vestments and "dark" vestments, which in practice probably meant more like "ornate" and "plain", because we see neither very white nor very dark vestments in the historical record. All the surviving pre-18th century vestments are pretty medium-toned on average. <br /><br />If any church wants to revive ancient eastern style polychrome vestments, that's great. But since, for the most part, Orthodox churches are going to be carrying on with the western system of seasonal colors, don't go moralizing about specific colors. That's ridiculous. Orthodox monks have dressed in black since early centuries. Obviously the Orthodox mind does not associate black fabric with evil or depression. It is associated with seriousness and sobriety, a mindfulness of mortality. As such, it is perfectly suitable as an expression of Christian mourning. <br /><br />In my opinion, when a pious elderly person reposes peacefully, it is very satisfying to have a funeral with white vestments, emphasizing victory and resurrection. But if a young person dies tragically, and the funeral is full of sobbing mourners, it is better to respect the human need to grieve, and wear black. The same goes for Holy Week, especially Good Friday. The church does not call us to remember the resurrection on that day. The church calls us to grieve for the death of Our Lord. We need to wear black so that the white of Pascha can shine brighter. Andrew Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09237116717370542536noreply@blogger.com