tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post2302593980929027435..comments2024-03-22T11:37:52.668-05:00Comments on Byzantine, Texas: Transgendered Ukrainian Catholic and his church's responseByzantine, TXhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17845681957622343484noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-22613240048376694772015-11-30T12:22:16.185-06:002015-11-30T12:22:16.185-06:00I'm grateful to learn of such a bishop but wou...I'm grateful to learn of such a bishop but would have thought from trans people's Orthodox experience that I have read about or witnessed myself that this would not be a rare occurrence.<br /><br />The only difference here seems to be that this case has been made public and so has come under the scrutiny of those whose words and casual discussion of real people's lives as theoretical concepts with unhelpful language can often make things unnecessarily more difficult for those simply seeking to live in Christ in the best way they can see possible in their circumstances, which is all I think any of us can do.Bbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10989307876421460920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-9478264216969807572015-11-04T21:59:46.851-06:002015-11-04T21:59:46.851-06:00Hate-filled rant? Did I strike a nerve? Apologie...Hate-filled rant? Did I strike a nerve? Apologies.<br /><br />I AM Polish and have nothing against the Jews or the blacks or most who live in the deep south (Where I have lived most of my life). There's this distinctly American form of hypermasculinity I have a problem with that only serves to discredit those of us who value masculinity in the face of a society that seems to hate the concept. Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-32179887579776955512015-11-04T19:41:08.274-06:002015-11-04T19:41:08.274-06:00Ecclesial Vigilante,
Why don't you go ahead a...Ecclesial Vigilante,<br /><br />Why don't you go ahead and tell us how you feel about Polish people. Perhaps throw in the Jews and black people as well....oh that's right, I forgot, disparaging people from the South (and Christians) is the only acceptable prejudice these days. Sorry to interrupt your hate filled rant - continue on...Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-35841034100415477442015-11-04T19:36:58.799-06:002015-11-04T19:36:58.799-06:00Lee,
Who are these "some people"? Have...Lee,<br /><br />Who are these "some people"? Have you ever met them? Because of work I have moved around a bit. I have been Orthodox for almost 20 years now. I have been a part of 2 Greek parishes, 3 Antiochian, 1 OCA and 1 Ukrainian parish during that time. These parishes were in Kentucky, North Carolina, Texas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. 3 of those states (if not 4) are deep southern states (the very place where "Ecclesial Vigiliante" says I should have run across such folks). I have not met a single Orthodox person who displayed the slightest irrational hatred or any such thing - in fact quite the opposite, everyone bends over backward to be (and be perceived) as not having such a "prejudice".<br /><br />That mostly applies also to the so called "Evangelical right". Westboro and the like get all the attention - but they are the exception that proves the rule. Don't let the media (which has an agenda in this) paint "Evangelicals" for you (the term is too loose anyways).<br /><br />Much mythos has been built up around this issue - too bad Met. Joseph seems willing to speak as if the myth were true.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-17573858054977024782015-11-04T15:33:17.707-06:002015-11-04T15:33:17.707-06:00Reading one of the highlighted sentences in the ar...Reading one of the highlighted sentences in the article, I think it is quite clear that this is not someone who had an operation some time ago.<br /><br />Fr. PeterVirgil Petrisorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05467744522668766048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-64860039628228794532015-11-04T15:31:59.372-06:002015-11-04T15:31:59.372-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Virgil Petrisorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05467744522668766048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-54281126807591545332015-11-04T09:46:33.932-06:002015-11-04T09:46:33.932-06:00Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, do we know...Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, do we know the full details? Is this a person who had an operation some time ago and is now trying to find Christ? Transgender suicide rates are a frightening statistic, so driving them from a church they come to seems a bad idea. I do not envy the confessor who has to work with a person who mutilated himself/herself and has to cope with it every day of his/her life.<br /><br />Considering that Christ converted the tax collectors, the harlots, and all manner of sinners, there should be room for people who mutilated themselves and are truly seeking repentance (if, indeed, they are). I do not know this individual, so I cannot make a call on whether this is such a case. Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-24800057212525026652015-11-04T09:38:09.998-06:002015-11-04T09:38:09.998-06:00That sentence should be "I agree with them on...That sentence should be "I agree with them on a lot of issues, but for entirely different reasons."Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-64685516086531577352015-11-04T09:37:33.228-06:002015-11-04T09:37:33.228-06:00Indeed, Lee. Spend some time among conservative h...Indeed, Lee. Spend some time among conservative hicks in the Deep South. I agree with a lot of issues, but for entirely different issues. Thy are the type of people who think that wearing a Scottish kilt is womanly, but sitting on a couch all Sunday watching football and stuffing your face is "manly". I think they bash "gays" just because it makes them feel better about themselves.<br /><br />We do not want the Evangelical Protestant Right as our allies in this fight, believe me.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-87732229595893897112015-11-04T01:02:10.256-06:002015-11-04T01:02:10.256-06:00This should be a matter between the individual con...This should be a matter between the individual concerned, his conscience and his confessor. <br /><br />This should not be an issue for public discussionAndreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-47325475068636372012015-11-03T19:45:00.472-06:002015-11-03T19:45:00.472-06:00I think Met. Joseph may have included point #7 bec...I think Met. Joseph may have included point #7 because some people don't get the "well, duh" portion. Some people are influenced by the Evangelical right and do treat homosexuals as the worst thing in the world vs. "We all screw up and we all need spiritual healing." I didn't really have an issue with #7. I didn't see a "we should accept." I saw it more as a "homosexuality is no different than any other struggle and must be handled correctly."REMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16926875247610873761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-90810577246147137282015-11-03T07:04:25.325-06:002015-11-03T07:04:25.325-06:00These are male autogynephiliacs. It is a grave and...These are male autogynephiliacs. It is a grave and socially toxic disorder.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-64495641013334339532015-11-03T02:01:24.719-06:002015-11-03T02:01:24.719-06:00"Not ever[y] experience needs experiencing.&q..."Not ever[y] experience needs experiencing." Like a dog that wants to lick everything it smells. -- Anouilhlanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17201942000756193774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-58044977544431534072015-11-02T18:15:30.335-06:002015-11-02T18:15:30.335-06:00Pathetic...
Guess the good bishop can change the f...Pathetic...<br />Guess the good bishop can change the faith.1204https://www.blogger.com/profile/07833299334195929511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-61905328801508730532015-11-02T13:03:21.723-06:002015-11-02T13:03:21.723-06:00"Much like the popular reception to Vatican I..."Much like the popular reception to Vatican II, the current Pope's words are being repurposed to match an agenda that I don't think was the original intent"<br /><br />That's just it is it not - what (in the long run) IS "original intent", or even "intent", and does it matter? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with a "nominialist" reading of this or that, but it is actual interpretation and praxis that matters in the end. I don't think you can let Vat II or Francis off so easily. Part of our task is not be be a dupe to the "spirit of the age", and surely these men and their words (and actions) point that to a significant extant they are.<br /><br />Part of secularism bag of tricks (and an indication of it's diabolical origins) is it's fundamental subversiveness. It takes anything, the smallest opening, and twists it. <br />One reason why I hate to see things like Met. Joseph's point #7. First, well "duh". Second, it's not a massive wave of "irrational homosexual hate" that is the current spirit in the Church, it's the opposite - a sentimentalized and false 'acceptance' driven by the "why can't we all just get along - we are all God's children - who is to say what is right or wrong with regard to this or that" spirit of the age.<br /><br />Orthodoxy does not seem to be holding up any better than anyone else. Mike is right - there are too many in open apostasy who are "in good relations...with knowledge of the bishop". (don't worry Mike, I know you did not mean it this way - because as you say our hagiography proves "dressing up" is OK ;) )Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152024447008244670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-84325543692881983472015-11-02T13:02:08.811-06:002015-11-02T13:02:08.811-06:00Mike - Your analogy to our saints is really wrong....Mike - Your analogy to our saints is really wrong. None of these holy mothers pretended to be men because they felt that God screwed up in assigning genitalia, but rather their disguises were intended to help them flee the world live as monks. Is that what this Mr. Panas is doing? Are there no male monasteries for him to explore, and knowing that he is too weak to live as an anchorite, he is pretending to be a woman to secure the guidance of an abbess? Is his father threatening to force him into marriage with a pagan and the deception and flight to a convent intended to throw off the hounds?Hanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11449078230379488480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-9148713952472224052015-11-02T12:09:16.002-06:002015-11-02T12:09:16.002-06:00I know of one an Orthodox transgender person that ...I know of one an Orthodox transgender person that is in good relation with the Church with the knowledge og the bishop. not that our hagiography is not filled with a stories about female saints dressing up as males and going to male monasteriesmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572603372579540256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-33295229243725533452015-11-02T10:49:28.426-06:002015-11-02T10:49:28.426-06:00What are they putting in the water these days?What are they putting in the water these days?The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.com