tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post5939963617079631950..comments2024-03-22T11:37:52.668-05:00Comments on Byzantine, Texas: Schismatic head reports on Ukraine's patriarchal electionByzantine, TXhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17845681957622343484noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-45996038178594134332018-10-02T11:51:39.165-05:002018-10-02T11:51:39.165-05:00Well Georgia relieved its autocephaly in the 5th c...Well Georgia relieved its autocephaly in the 5th century from Antioch and there's no indication that it self-declared uncanonically. Likewise for the Patriarchate of Pec (Serbia) in the 14th century from Constantinople. That Moscow and Constantinople uncanonically recended, respectively, Georgia's and Serbia's autocephaly in the 18th and 19th centuries is neither here nor there. Greece did take autocephaly into it's own hands, but it's bishops were not at the time defrocked or consecrated by defrocked bishops. This is before we get to the self-consecrators at the origins of the UAOC.Samn!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14142811721903345946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-66973968774154917312018-10-02T11:20:26.496-05:002018-10-02T11:20:26.496-05:00Autocephaly is taken or recognized. Nobody recogni...Autocephaly is taken or recognized. Nobody recognizes the USA's autocephaly, because its Church is young and fractured and the US is a secular propositional nation, not a traditional nation-state or empire (some might debate this). The Churches in Serbia and Georgia have sufficient gravitas to be regarded as autocephalous. Nobody seriously questions their status.<br /><br />Cyprus, Jerusalem and Alexandria are autocephalous because of historical import, like Constantinople. Antioch is autocephalous, and floats around between Damascus and Beirut after being evicted from Turkey.<br /><br />Ukraine is a provincial area that's existed as an independent country only since 1991 and previously was passed around between empires. It's one of the most corrupt places on earth and would probably be better off under Russian administration. Not fertile ground for a Church that wants to be taken seriously as a Patriarchate.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-5907916997625494112018-10-02T07:49:24.893-05:002018-10-02T07:49:24.893-05:00Just like canons didn't mean much to the Serbi...Just like canons didn't mean much to the Serbians, Greeks, Georgians, etc...when they decided on their own to become autocephalous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-39919247748968697482018-10-02T07:36:12.588-05:002018-10-02T07:36:12.588-05:00Clearly canons don't seem to matter to these p...Clearly canons don't seem to matter to these people.Brantley Hobbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02847021322721436245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-37083214632491962742018-10-02T02:26:50.910-05:002018-10-02T02:26:50.910-05:00How is it possible to hold a council of bishops in...How is it possible to hold a council of bishops including a large proportion of either defrocked or consecrated-by-defrocked bishops? Doesn't there have to be some kind of canonical step prior to this?Samn!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14142811721903345946noreply@blogger.com