tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post6744941477869229922..comments2024-03-22T11:37:52.668-05:00Comments on Byzantine, Texas: Joint Declaration of Pope Francis & Pat. Kirill of MoscowByzantine, TXhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17845681957622343484noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-85627039253028513242016-02-24T12:55:36.977-06:002016-02-24T12:55:36.977-06:00A 5th columnist eh? Now it all makes sense.A 5th columnist eh? Now it all makes sense.Steve_Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700596373993979010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-38480237974204817312016-02-16T17:11:43.311-06:002016-02-16T17:11:43.311-06:00I ask that you withdraw the calumny that I defende...I ask that you withdraw the calumny that I defended, minimized, or justified the holocaust, Nazism, or the events in the Odessa Profsoyuz <br />building. I merely asked for clarification on your use of the word "eradicate" for the 5 million members of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. God bless. Vjekoslavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03807677093688840359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-20821042492924112692016-02-15T08:53:05.005-06:002016-02-15T08:53:05.005-06:00I had the same thought. But looking widely at the...I had the same thought. But looking widely at the on-line comments suggests that Mr. Warren's thoughts, while expressed with unusual vividness, are held by many Orthodox. I hope that Patriarch Kirill's lead will be accepted and will change the mentality of these people. David Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01910337488097178145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-64766248054918586732016-02-15T08:22:31.877-06:002016-02-15T08:22:31.877-06:00I am not a fan of conspiracy theorists, but the th...I am not a fan of conspiracy theorists, but the thought that he might be a Roman operating under false flag in order to make us look like a bunch of loons had crossed my mind as well. The commentary is is so over the top it is almost impossible not to consider the possibility. John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-54629675092038912852016-02-14T22:41:59.895-06:002016-02-14T22:41:59.895-06:00The truly over-the-top nature of R. Michael Warren...The truly over-the-top nature of R. Michael Warren's commentary makes me wonder if he is actually a Catholic zealot trying to fabricate online evidence that Orthodox are extremists who get upset over the rather measured statement of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill.<br /><br />(How's that for a conspiracy theory?)Borthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13286815250863499793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-74525594558136785512016-02-14T21:48:23.256-06:002016-02-14T21:48:23.256-06:00Volynians are Orthodox. So you are totally ignoran...Volynians are Orthodox. So you are totally ignorant and don't know what you are talking about. But we knew that before you came out in defense of banderofascist Uniate pogroms, ethnic cleansing and Holocaust denial.<br /><br />You support people rehabilitating Adolph Hitler's policies in our time. How does it feel supporting people who seek to fulfill the vision of the Galician SS and Stepan Bandera. That's a million plus and counting crime of genocide. Papism in its truest form and rhetoric.<br /><br />You mention black hundreds while supporting people who deny the Holocaust and maintain the "defeat of NAZI Germany in WWII was a tragedy for humanity "?! You support the immolation of peaceful civilians and pogroms against Orthodox Christians in Odessa on 02May14 and yet you mention black hundreds?!<br /><br />You establish Unia with lynchings, beatings, flayings, rapine, immolations, pogroms, qv Josaphat Kuntsevich, and you mention black hundreds?!<br /><br />Same old papist blessing of genocide to coerce submission to Rome. This is what your heretical papal cult is all about. Thank you for admitting it. Keep the checks coming.<br /><br />Eradication is the end of the religious counterfeit. Not of the people. We Orthodox aren't papists. We don't engage in conversion of people through mass murder. You all will have to answer to Jerusalem and Antioch about the Melkites. But at this time, the Maronites are more faithful to your papal, Roman rite than you are. Unia is dead. Get ready to face the future.<br /><br />Eradication means ceasing Unia's criminal existence and functioning. Meaning Uniates have their consciences respected and they get to choose papal heresy with papal rites or return to Orthodoxy with Orthodox rites. We aren't papists. We eradicate and stop evil, not return papal ethnic cleansing in kind. That's what you all are about. You show us every day in the Ukraine what papism is still really all about: pogroms, persecution, mass murder, ethnic cleansing.<br /><br />We take your money and act to undo the evil you and your pope perpetrate around the world. And to save lives you all would otherwise snuff out. So keep the money and merchandise coming. <br /><br />It is poetic justice that your pope is now blessing RUSSKY MIR. And, no, we don't want you to use a banderofascist template and send in black hundred knights of Fatima. It is our hope to peacefully denazify and rehabilitate the Uniate banderofascist monsters you have created. More checks please.<br /><br />Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-16809108349600833592016-02-14T21:16:11.211-06:002016-02-14T21:16:11.211-06:00What happened to "will ease off, sorry" ...What happened to "will ease off, sorry" ? <br /><br />What are you hoping to accomplish with these screeds? Hopeless, meaningless, idle chatter. Your salvation does not consist in this, my friend. "Pray for those who hate you and bless those who persecute you," that is all I have left to say. I believe you are gravely misled. Forgive me if this causes offense, and pray for me. Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813765935508406812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-49161412595362922062016-02-14T21:09:24.440-06:002016-02-14T21:09:24.440-06:00Respectfully, is the curator of this blog aware of...Respectfully, is the curator of this blog aware of the racist abuse that is being perpetrated in these comboxes? Civility has long since ceased. As a news source I and many fellow Orthodox Christians regularly consult, this blog's credibility is presently at stake. Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813765935508406812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-36992509802674426712016-02-14T18:08:29.081-06:002016-02-14T18:08:29.081-06:00I'm curious by what Mr. Warren (odd name for a...I'm curious by what Mr. Warren (odd name for a Black Hundredist) would do with the millions of Galicians, Volhynians etc who are members of the UGCC? What does he mean by "eradicate"? Also, what if the Maronites, Melkites, etc. Are they to eradicated to make way for "RUSSKY MIR!!!"? Vjekoslavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03807677093688840359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-35898002179693270752016-02-14T17:43:15.438-06:002016-02-14T17:43:15.438-06:00Wish you all the best with the non ETHNOPHYLETIST ...Wish you all the best with the non ETHNOPHYLETIST Ukrainian fascists! Because a 95%+ multi ethnic Orthodox world uncompromising in the face of Uniate BANDEROFASCIST genocide and papal heresy seems to be not to your liking.<br /><br />Exactly that! Yes!<br /><br />Yes, UNIATE, UGCC Stepan Bandera and the UNIATE, UGCC Galician SS with the Ukrainian concentration camp guards with the blood of 1,000,000+ on their hands are not hateful, ethnic based monsters. No, not at all! You want to be as ethnically tolerant as them and round 250 Russian Orthodox Christians into a trade union building in Odessa, beat them within an inch of their lives and then set the building on fire burning them alive! You animals even raped a pregnant woman on 2, May, 2014 there in Odessa. Then you burned her and her unborn child alive! Wonder if you say rosaries for her and the thousands like her you have murdered in the past two years for Ukrainian Uniate ethnogenesis. But such "promotion of Christian unity" is indulgenced so it is all good! It is not ethnophyletism. A religion which supports that ethnic cleansing and perpetuation of the NAZI Holocaust is what you want!<br /><br />Thank you for wanting nothing to do with the Orthodox Church! We don't need papist enablers of Kristallnact-esque pogroms!<br /><br />Yes, the Uniates will answer at a reconvening of the Nuremberg Process with all their enablers! The Unia will be eradicated.<br /><br />Keep the papal checks coming. 50000 RUSSKY MIR YES EXACTLY!!! Tee shirts please.<br />Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-38344339640491551872016-02-14T17:22:20.430-06:002016-02-14T17:22:20.430-06:00The fact you don't even understand what ethnop...The fact you don't even understand what ethnophyletism is and can't read the clear reason why I am the opposite shouts you probably aren't Orthodox now. Become Orthodox, and then we will talk about an Orthodox formation which you clearly lack. Seems you are either a Uniate or aspire to be one.<br /><br />BECAUSE, OF COURSE, BANDEROFASCIST UGCC UNIA WITH ITS QUACK UKRAINIAN ARIAN, HITLERITE, RACE THEORIES AND SS DIVISIOND ISN'T ETHNOPHYLETIST!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Yes!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />No, it is just the main survival of NAZI RACISM IN OUR TIME ENGAGED IN ETHNIC CLEANSING, GENOCIDE AND crimes against humanity. You would have joined them (or have).<br /><br />But you became Orthodox supposedly because somebody told you a Third Reich survival in the twenty first century engaged in ethnic cleansing as a religious counterfeit is legitimate?!<br /><br />YES, EXACTLY THAT! <br /><br />Friend, the Russian church is 150 million + strong. We defend an additional 30 - 50 million Orthodox Christians. Uniate genocidal murderers and their sympathizers are a hateful fringe non normative of Orthodoxy and part of a Renovationist 1%. Such people are nothing but their own religious counterfeit. They are not Orthodox.<br /><br />Unia will be eradicated. That's final.<br /><br />Keep the religious counterfeits to yourselves. Keep the checks coming and the Putin Rocks! tee shirts, hats, mugs and commemorative albums. Because your pope sure lives to give SMOOCHIES TO RUSSKY MIR "ethnophyletism." I guess your issue is with him. LOL!!!!Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-21079472288377537052016-02-14T12:41:07.403-06:002016-02-14T12:41:07.403-06:00Yes! This!
Thank you! Yes! This! <br />Thank you! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09791588249667853980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-60938204225228189022016-02-14T11:37:49.433-06:002016-02-14T11:37:49.433-06:00All I can say is that if Mr. Warren with his ethno...All I can say is that if Mr. Warren with his ethno-phyletist polemics had been a part of my early exposure to Orthodoxy, I would probably still be Roman Catholic.John (Ad Orientem)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14329907942477160166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-4576774334111651682016-02-14T10:34:02.006-06:002016-02-14T10:34:02.006-06:00Actually, that is not the case at all. And I refer...Actually, that is not the case at all. And I refer you back to the above for further reflection. Hopefully, it sinks in that unia is the papal hate which will only inflame Orthodox resistance and leave all your papal money wasted.<br /><br />From our perspective, nothing short of repentance and return to the authentic Catholic Church, Orthodoxy, is acceptible. If you all persist in Uniate apologetics, you will raise a wave which will put such pressure on the people you bought like Hilarion Alfeev that you will lose all your friends. Then you will be left with people more rigorous like myself who will still take your money while expediting the architecture which liquidates unia.<br /><br />Unia is dead. Get used to it. No patriarch and no local church will risk schism and turmoil to save it. Much the list the leader of world Orthodoxy. I hope you understand what that means. There is no ground to give, not an inch. Unia will be eradicated.<br /><br />Your pope paid for a PR stunt to bless Putin and RUSSKY MIR and beg for more time to get his ducks in a row. If he doesn't deliver the goods, nothing happens, we take your money and will still exterminate the filth of unia.<br /><br />Irregardless, unia is dead. That is final. Final. Orthodoxy is not a papal monarchy but a conciliar organism of sobornost. Putin and the Patriarchate both cannot afford to alienate their core of support. Uniate banderofascists blessed by their accursed apostate bishops are engaged in ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity, murdering to spread a neo Unia. That is the bad faith which leaves the papal paid for PR stunt as nothing but propaganda.<br /><br />You know it. Just as you know that papal statements insisting that the Orthodox churches submit to the Chair of Peter to be considered fully legitimate ARE NOTHING BUT AN INSISTANCE ON UNIA AS A MODEL OF REUNION! That is unacceptable, AND PATRIARCH KIRILL HAS UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED AS SUCH.<br /><br />So what do we have left when we balance the equation? Papal money, a blessing for Putin and RUSSKY MIR, and the incumbency of papal repentance, where if Unia is not liquidated, you can never reenter the Catholic Church, Orthodoxy. And you get nothing from us.<br /><br />So your problem is with your pope who needs to con you all with a shell game to get what he needs from Russia to keep your moribund, papist church from going the way of Anglicanism in the next 25 years. And you know it. So I suggest you reconcile yourself with the fact that liquidation of unia is a precondition for achieving any real hope of rapproachment and survival. Them or our good graces. <br /><br />Just as it was imperative to stop Hitler and destroy the Third Reich so too it is a humanitarian necessity to eradicate Unia and its political program of ethnic cleansing. <br /><br />The fact you glibly insist on the preservation of this criminal organism shouts that you and yours are not serious about unity with the Orthodox.<br /><br />Until Unia and the Uniate mentalite is liquidated with apologies there will be no prospect for any possible rapproachment. That's final. Write that down, keep the checks coming, and we will take the first order of Go Putin tee shirts. Lol!!!!<br /><br />Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-1713076876229282432016-02-14T09:03:04.632-06:002016-02-14T09:03:04.632-06:00R Michael Warren:
You are of course entitled to yo...R Michael Warren:<br />You are of course entitled to your opinion.<br />But you need to direct your posts to the Patriarch of Moscow. <br />Your fundamental disagreement is now with him. David Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01910337488097178145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-80203750147329678772016-02-14T03:45:45.411-06:002016-02-14T03:45:45.411-06:00...if we are not to see more decades of this. The ......if we are not to see more decades of this. The papist definition of Orthodox rapproachment is submission to the Chair of Peter, unia. Until the Unia and Uniate mentalite is utterly eradicated, our love will never be felt and they will perceive it as weakness and as a foothold to exploit to force our submission. If Rome is to return to Orthodoxy, no dialogues can mean anything without the eradication of everything Uniate.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-11334074252708061872016-02-14T03:32:52.734-06:002016-02-14T03:32:52.734-06:00Thank you for your kind words and forgive me a sin...Thank you for your kind words and forgive me a sinner. GOD forgives.<br /><br />Sometimes love expressed in zeal is the only kind which will be heard. The only kind which will prick hardened hearts. Ecumenism has only retrenched papists in heresy. Souls are being lost as a result. That type of comfortable lie is the greater hate. I have no desire to kill or harm but to save. I would be ecstatic to share all I have with these precious souls in the Orthodox Church. I would rejoice in learning and celebrating and welcoming the beauty of their cultures in the authentic Catholic Church, Holy Orthodoxy.<br /><br />But, brother, when a model of atrocities and submission to a heretical church is in any way given a foothold then the chance of the reclamation of these souls is diminished. Compromise and weakness has historically been exploited by the papacy to harm Orthodox Christians and does so today in the Ukraine. Only love in Truth can lend sobriety here. <br /><br />They believe that Unia and our submission is the only way they can ever cease to persecute Orthodoxy. They worship a papacy. That must be challenged and all dialogue and love must be predicated on the utter destruction of that premise and an Orthodox redefinition of that papacy of we are soon to more decades of this.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-48355132570866279372016-02-14T01:16:33.615-06:002016-02-14T01:16:33.615-06:00Brother R Michael,
Even if what you are saying is...Brother R Michael,<br /><br />Even if what you are saying is true... it's not spoken in meekness or love. And truth without love makes the truth itself repulsive. Even if you are casting pearls, you're hurling them like bullets. You need to reflect upon how you approach and dialogue with people. I'm all for polemics when necessary and all truth-despising pseudo-love fests make me sick but you are simply over the top. The Apostle Paul himself approached pagan Greeks and said: <br /><br />"Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious." (Acts 17:22) Elsewhere he said that their "gods" we're demons, but he didn't approach them like: "Men of Athens, I have truth and you worship demons!" <br /><br />Take a lesson from a Russian Saint:<br /><br />http://classicalchristianity.com/2012/05/24/st-silouan-on-those-who-differ-from-us-in-faith/<br /><br />May the Lord grant you patience for those in error and who disagree with you. Pray for me!<br /><br />in ICXC,<br />Maximus<br /><br />maximushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01086218903799586114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-12369367099780748502016-02-13T19:58:00.361-06:002016-02-13T19:58:00.361-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-71816699726023957252016-02-13T19:57:19.254-06:002016-02-13T19:57:19.254-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-69864980199468861422016-02-13T19:48:19.426-06:002016-02-13T19:48:19.426-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-68774562558021424882016-02-13T19:47:49.535-06:002016-02-13T19:47:49.535-06:00The Truth is not a papist friendly popularity cont...The Truth is not a papist friendly popularity contest condoning Uniate crimes against humanity.<br /><br />If you wish to worship your own image, please do so. But know that there are many people unimpressed with it.<br /><br />I am not a nationalist. And that there is a sign of a lack of education. I am Orthodox, Russian Orthodox. Russian Orthodoxy from the get go welcomes all nationalities in its religious and cultural continuum and celebrares the beauty they bring to enrich an Orthodox civilization we share in love.<br /><br />It seems you are the victim or russophobia, conspiracy theorists and ignorant propagandists who have poisoned your mind with hate. I am sorry for you.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-80859011792534813222016-02-13T19:40:57.928-06:002016-02-13T19:40:57.928-06:00You speak for a fascist fringe perpetrating crimes...You speak for a fascist fringe perpetrating crimes against humanity.<br /><br />My statements are neither degraded, nor even a minority position. They reflect the historical position of Russian Orthodoxy, a position shared by 90% of the Orthodox Church. You would be hard pressed to prove otherwise and you know it. The Truth offered for the repentance of papal heretics suffering a blasphemous, soul destroying heresy. That is the greatest love. You are drowning outside the Church and save yourselves.<br /><br />You, however, are comical speaking for Orthodoxy and being totally estranged from it, representing a fringe, clutching to heresy. WHAT SECATARIAN, FRINGE, PAPIST HUBRIS! Orthodoxy does not and will never confirm to your heretical template. You will deal with Orthodoxy on Orthodoxy's terms. Wake up and keep the papal checks coming.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-65753425644304944972016-02-13T19:31:14.354-06:002016-02-13T19:31:14.354-06:00Patriarch Kirill was paid to appear in a photo op ...Patriarch Kirill was paid to appear in a photo op by the papacy. He is not a pope, and the language of the document is dubious at best. Russian Orthodoxy speaks for Russian Orthodoxy and at the outset has maintained that the religious counterfeit of Unia has no legitimacy and no right to exist.<br /><br />That's final.<br /><br />Moreover, the fact you say unia should or must means you disagree that it as a model of papal subjugation is defunct. You say that is another papal lie, discrediting your heretical pope's groundless assertions and reassurances. That means either he or you are lying. I believe you both are. Indicating most likely you all are yet again acting in bad faith. No Russian Patriarch is bound to bad faith, papist PR. Moreover, every Russian Patriarchate answers to Orthodoxy and the Russian people.<br /><br />The Russian people being murdered by Uniate banderofascists speak for all Russian Orthodox in saying UNIA is dead and will answer for all its crimes. <br /><br />We Orthodox speak with intensity because our Faith is our life and we will never betray it!<br /><br />So keep the papal checks coming and begin your path of conversion to the authentic Catholic Church, Orthodoxy.Rostislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313094521917460919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-73042886598650075.post-92081620615272046142016-02-13T16:59:43.308-06:002016-02-13T16:59:43.308-06:00I think it needs to be iterated, for the sake of t...I think it needs to be iterated, for the sake of the unsuspecting reader, inquirer, and seeker, that "R Michael Warren"'s comments do not represent Orthodoxy but a deranged politicized fringe element that is not only inhumane but heretical. <br /><br />When an entire nation of people, created in the image and likeness of God, is written off as belonging to a "quack nationality," comments such as those posted by Warren no longer demand our serious attention except insofar as such deranged nonsense must be contained or even, God forbid, censored. Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09813765935508406812noreply@blogger.com