Friday, September 24, 2010

Another update on Orthodox-Catholic dialogue

NOTE: A longer and illustrated version of the story available here.


VIENNA (Reuters) - Roman Catholic and Orthodox theologians reported promising progress Friday in talks on overcoming their Great Schism of 1054 and bringing the two largest denominations in Christianity back to full communion.

Experts meeting in Vienna this week agreed the two could eventually become "sister churches" that recognize the Roman pope as their titular head but retain many church structures, liturgy and customs that developed over the past millennium.

The delegation heads stressed unity was still far off, but their upbeat report reflected growing cooperation between Rome and the Orthodox churches traditionally centered in Russia, Greece, Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

Metropolitan John of Pergamon
"There are no clouds of mistrust between our two churches," Orthodox Metropolitan John Zizioulas of Pergamon told a news conference. "If we continue like that, God will find a way to overcome all the difficulties that remain."

Archbishop Kurt Koch, the top Vatican official for Christian unity, said the joint dialogue must continue "intensively" so that "we see each other fully as sister churches."

The churches split in 1054 over the primacy of the Roman pope, the most senior bishop in early Christianity. The Orthodox in Constantinople, now Istanbul, rejected Roman primacy and developed national churches headed by their own patriarchs. Getreligion.org is going to have a field day with some of this commentary.

ADAPTATION NEEDED

The Vatican has sought closer ties for years but the Russian Orthodox Church -- whose 165 million followers are the largest branch of the world's 250 million Orthodox -- responded slowly as it emerged from over seven decades of Communist rule.

Roman Catholicism is Christianity's largest church, with 1.1 billion of the estimated 2 billion Christians worldwide.

Pope Benedict has close ties to the spiritual leader of the Orthodox, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew in Istanbul, and hopes to meet Russian Patriarch Kirill, who has shown great interest in better ties since taking office in February 2009.

Benedict and Kirill are both conservative theologians who say Europe should return to its Christian roots. The Orthodox are closer to Catholicism in their theology and liturgy than the Protestant churches that broke from Rome in the 16th century.

Unity will require change on both sides, the delegation heads stressed. "I won't call it a reformation -- that is too strong -- but an adaptation from both sides," John said.

For the Orthodox, he said, that means recognizing there is a universal Christian church at a level higher than their national churches and the bishop of Rome is its traditional head.

The Catholics would have to strengthen the principle of synodality, by which a church leader consults bishops before making important decisions, he added.

THE FIRST MILLENNIUM

Both those points are sensitive. The Orthodox traditionally prize their decentralized structures and reject the idea of a pope while the Catholic hierarchy is a pyramid with clear lines of authority from local churches up to the powerful pontiff.

To work this out, they are studying Christianity's early history to see how the Latin-speaking West and Greek-speaking East worked together for 1,000 years before the Great Schism.

"The basic discussion is about how these churches lived in the first millennium and how we can find a new (common) path today," Koch explained.

Koch said Pope Benedict recently showed his readiness to accept diversity in the church by inviting disaffected Anglicans to become Catholics while keeping some of their traditions.

John said a next step along the way to unity will be a pan-Orthodox council to work out relations between national churches and the Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarchate, which has spiritual leadership but no practical authority over them.

"We hope that very soon we will be able to invoke such a council," John said. He said the joint theological commission could probably meet again in 2012 to discuss the theological aspects of closer unity.

8 comments:

  1. "John said a next step along the way to unity will be a pan-Orthodox council to work out relations between national churches and the Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarchate, which has spiritual leadership but no practical authority over them."

    In our day we have "theologions" who do not know theology. They use smooth, oily words, which appeal to other "theologions" from Rome. If such a supposed 8th Ecumenical council occurs, I think it will be a robber council. May God preserve us from this!

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  2. So in other words Pr Seraphim you do want any form of unity whatsoever with Rome. Even if God calls all Christians to be united. I guess you really want to see Islam and atheists take over the world!.

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  3. Pr Seraphim, maybe you should remove all Western "Pre Schism" Roman saints from your liturgical calendar.

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  4. All that is uncalled for Robert. You are making assumptions that are incorrect and a bit silly. If you disagree with me, fine, but do not create ideas that you assume I have. the comment about Islam and athiests is quite ridiculous.

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  5. This was very reassuring to hear as a Roman Catholic. Much of what I hear (and admittedly I don't hear a lot so my view is slanted) seems to indicate that the Orthodox want nothing to do with Rome and would be content to stay as they are (similar to Robert's views).

    In find that view disheartening, but the view expressed in this blog post seems more optimistic and hopeful. That the Orthodox leaders are committed to achieving some form of unity and communion "that they all may be one."

    I hope that Robert's pessimistic and close-minded view is a shrinking minority.

    Certainly some of the early conflicts of the Church were more foundational, heated, and divisive yet they somehow worked through it. I don't see why an 8th council would be automatically invalid if unity were achieved somehow.

    The Church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic, though sometimes I think many (not just Orthodox) wish it weren't "Catholic" (universal).

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  6. "I hope that Robert's pessimistic and close-minded view is a shrinking minority."

    I think you mean to refer Pr Seraphim's comments, not Robert?

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  7. @Alan: Yes! You're right. Sorry I misspoke.

    My bad!!!

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  8. I completely agree with Pr. Seraphim! Even if they were to hold such a council it would in no way be an Ecumenical Council because no Ecumenical Council can change something that was in a former Council, it builds on what the Church already accepts and teaches. Through her saints the Church has stated that the Roman church adheres to heresy and therefore would need to follow the same steps that the Councils prescribe for all heretics- to be properly received back into the Holy Orthodox Church. These meetings are just a lot of fancy words from a lot of people who do not wish to do obedience to the Church. I hope that they will come to their senses. Through the prayers of St. Mark of Ephesus, St. Maximos the Confessor, St. Photios the Great, St. Gregory Palamas and St. Kosmas the Aitolean! Remaining faithful to the Truth is proper love; seeking union with Rome under false pretense will only make these men become Roman Catholic, there will be no union.

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