Is the male-only priesthood a discipline or essential to the nature of being a priest? Sr. Vassa (again unflinchingly taking up a contentious topic by climbing up the ladder to the highest platform and then jumping into the deep end head first) dives right in and says there is no reason beyond personal preference to not have female clergy. You know, when people ask me about women in priesthood, they say, 'Sister, why can't women be priests?' And I say, 'Women CAN be priests. We don't WANT them to be priests.' Because you see, God can do anything, and the Church, by divine authority, uh, can do anything, but, the Church doesn't want to - and that's a legitimate reason. What I don't like is when we TRY to pretend that there are other reasons for this, because it's legitimate not to want something, and there are reasons not to want this - right? - but, we shouldn't pretent that there's some... reason, that, for example, the maleness...
Lovin' it!
ReplyDeleteI am one of those odd man out types who doesn't fit in the Byzantine Eastern Orthodox or the Western Roman Catholic Churches. They both annoy me and I love aspects of both.
I wonder if he is married?
Let the 'haters' take care lest they anger the LORD in what He is doing.
I have a Uniate god son who is like this. His family says they are RO in communion with Rome.
ReplyDeleteEh. I'm not freaking out. While I would never rejoice at anyone leaving the Church everyone has to obey the dictates of their own conscience. If he had reached a point where he was in his heart and mind no longer Orthodox then it was best he move to Rome rather than commune in hypocrisy in an Orthodox parish. This sort of thing is going to happen from time to time. But it is worth noting that Catholics (both Latin and uniate) make up a very small percentage of the population in Russia. The so called Russian Rite is insignificant in terms of its membership.
ReplyDeleteAlso worth noting is that there is and has always been some traffic between Rome and Orthodoxy. In recent decades (I'm speaking from anecdotal evidence) that traffic seems to be much heavier on the East bound highway than the West bound.
On a side note the term "Orthodox in communion with Rome" is an oxymoron. Aint no such thing. My ecumenical sensibilities have limits, and sometimes things need to be said plainly. I don't bash Catholics and have little patience for those that do (I used to be one). But I won't stand silent for the sake of those who pretend that Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the same thing. They aren't. You can be one, or the other, or neither. But you can't be both.
The Pope is a great man. I happen to think he is the best thing to hit Rome in a very very long time. But he is NOT Orthodox. And if you are in communion with him then neither are you.
He has been Catholic since 1999...only now ordained. 12 years since he left the Orthodox Church. I, and MANY others along with me, passed him going East in the span of those years. I pray for him, me, and for all of us.
ReplyDeleteJohn, well said. I like you =) I think you're wrong, and you think I'm wrong, but I like you. Cos you think.
ReplyDeleteIt's very apparent that the Catholic Church, according to Catholic self understanding, cannot be the same as the Eastern Churches, because the Catholic Church is the Mother of all the particular Churches. The Church of Rome can be the sister of the Church of (insert whatever) but the Catholic Church is the Mother of all the Churches.
And since Vatican I's definition of Papal infallibility and the proclamation of the Immaculate Conception, those who deny those dogmas are not only, as they had formerly had been, schismatics, but also heretics, deniers of dogmatically defined teachings.
Rough, I know, but true, in the Catholic understanding. And of course the Easterns think that the filioque is heretical and no amount of sweetness will make that bitter pill go down any easier.
Anyone who thinks, in purely human terms of course, that there can be a rapprochement, or union of some kind, don't understand the Catholic Church or the Eastern Churches very well.
When we are clear about each others positions, and respect each other as more than infantile adolescents who will be offended by the slightest whiff of truth, then we can start to find actual common ground.
There is only One Body of Christ, it is the Holy Apostolic, Orthodox Church which this man left. I pray that he will return, and that we all remain humble enough (as individual Orthodox Christians)to be protected from the pull to apostasy.
ReplyDeleteWhatever your feelings, Russian Catholics deserve a presbyter for the benefit of their souls.
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