Is the male-only priesthood a discipline or essential to the nature of being a priest? Sr. Vassa (again unflinchingly taking up a contentious topic by climbing up the ladder to the highest platform and then jumping into the deep end head first) dives right in and says there is no reason beyond personal preference to not have female clergy. You know, when people ask me about women in priesthood, they say, 'Sister, why can't women be priests?' And I say, 'Women CAN be priests. We don't WANT them to be priests.' Because you see, God can do anything, and the Church, by divine authority, uh, can do anything, but, the Church doesn't want to - and that's a legitimate reason. What I don't like is when we TRY to pretend that there are other reasons for this, because it's legitimate not to want something, and there are reasons not to want this - right? - but, we shouldn't pretent that there's some... reason, that, for example, the maleness...
Why is there an "Armenian Church in Canada?" Why wouldn't Armenians in Canada answer to a Canadian primate? Wasn't there something that happened in 1872 that addressed this sort of thing? I assume it was important, because when some 20-something American convert made noises about a "white" Church, he got excommunicated.
ReplyDeleteI assume, therefore, that this passes canonical muster because Canada is not a nation, which allows the Armenians to set up their own nation in the geographic coordinates known as "Canada."
Also, what is the "Diocese of the Armenian Church of Bulgaria?"
So there's a non-canonical situation in the "diaspora" lands. Most of those concerned acknowledge that it's a problem, even though they're too lazy/ossified/self-interested to get off their duffs and fix it.
ReplyDeleteAlong comes a brand-spanking new convert who claims that not only is the non-canonical situation just fine, but we need more of it. Is it really that hard to understand why he landed in ecclesial hot water? While considering conversion, I can't tell you how many times I've read that converts should keep their mouths closed for the first 5-10 years. This is a prime example of why.
The point I'm trying to make is more political than ecclesiological: diversity actually only applies to Anglo-Celts or Europeans. Everybody else gets to carry their hereditary nation with them wherever they go.
DeleteBut I do wonder how long the Armenians can keep it up. Are there really enough of them cohering in North America that they don't have to outmarry? I remember asking a Carpatho-Russian Orthodox how long he thought his diocese would be "Carpatho-Russian." He didn't answer.
Most of those concerned acknowledge that it's a problem, even though they're too lazy/ossified/self-interested to get off their duffs and fix it.
DeleteI used to think that, but now I think the answer is they truly do not care and do not intend to care, ever. This is literally the only issue worth discussing at the supposed Great Council and it's nowhere on the agenda.
We should probably just acknowledge that people want their own national Church with their own cultural expressions. People are choosing blood over geography.
I think the Armenian Apostolic Church (I am not sure of the Armenian Catholic Church is in the same boat) needs to be open to having the Liturgy in a language other than classical Armenian, if she wants to be able to evangelize to non-Armenians.
DeleteI get so sick of hearing all this yacking about the "uncanonical situation in the diaspora"... I like my bishop. I like my church. My bishop likes his flock. Why screw with it? (and no, I'm not a convert).
DeleteMany years to Bishop-elect Abgar!
ReplyDeleteAxios! Many years to him and his flock!
ReplyDelete"We should probably just acknowledge that people want their own national Church with their own cultural expressions. People are choosing blood over geography."
ReplyDeleteGet your head out of the sand. Haven't you heard about globalization and multiculturalism? And haven't the Armenians been punished enough. let them have their own church wherever they live.
You need to read my whole post, and ponder it some more.
DeleteI have "Anti-Gnostoc" and you have to face reality. We are living in a globalizd world. Haven't the poor Armenians suffered enough already.
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