Sunday, March 11, 2018

Serbs put out new English Divine Liturgy text

Posted by Byzantine, TX

15 comments:

  1. VasilyMarch 12, 2018 at 7:16 AM

    I haven’t seen that many stylized “icons” crammed on a page since my days as a Catholic.....

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  2. thepilgrimMarch 12, 2018 at 7:31 AM

    That is just beautiful! I hope the paper it is printed on is of as high a quality. It looks like a masterpiece from the video.

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  3. AnonymousMarch 12, 2018 at 11:27 AM

    I'm not particularly impressed. I'm not a big fan of using "You" and "Your" when referring to Christ. I appreciate the beauty and reverence of "Thee", "Thy", and "Thou".

    They should have looked to ROCOR or the Antiochians instead of the Greeks for their translation.

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    1. CalebMarch 12, 2018 at 4:22 PM

      I feel the same way, as I generally like the Antiochian translations best, but it is ironic that “thee” and “thou” mean exactly the opposite of the popular conception. They’re actually the less formal mode of address, like the German “du” or Spanish “tu.” It’s only in falling out of use that they’ve come to be perceived as higher or more formal.

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  4. 123March 12, 2018 at 12:04 PM

    Yay, another translation we can try to use together, awkwardly. The particularities of our own tradition are so much more important than our supposedly shared Faith. Actions speak louder than words.

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    1. HabashiMarch 12, 2018 at 4:44 PM

      So true. If the orthodox "church" cannot unite in one English liturgical translation then it is clear that this is not a "church" but a federation of ethnic churches. It is pathetic but entirely predictable. Each bishop vying for their own popularity whilst caring nought for the people.

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  5. Fr. Joseph BittleMarch 12, 2018 at 4:40 PM

    The translation they used as their basis is the one produced by Fr. Ephrem Lash, whose reputation is stellar. The art is beautiful, if too over-present. The type-setting seems excellent at first glance, although I tend to prefer justified paragraphs. And, I will be ordering one to add to my collection, if only for study purposes.

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  6. Bozo2UMarch 12, 2018 at 6:44 PM

    A work of beauty, a giving thanks-moment as well as forward looking.

    Some of these posts remind me that one-third of the heavenly hosts complained.
    Blessed Lent

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    1. HabashiMarch 12, 2018 at 8:36 PM

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  7. Michael BaumanMarch 12, 2018 at 7:04 PM

    Unity is not necessarily synonomous with uniformity. What is wrong with a confederation of national churches? The nation of Israel was a confederation was it not? Are we not the new Israel?

    Even the angels have different choirs.

    Our head is Christ. Even at Pentecost everyone spoke in their own tongue but each understood all.

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    1. HabashiMarch 12, 2018 at 8:38 PM

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    2. Byzantine, TXMarch 13, 2018 at 11:01 AM

      They simply aren't the same. You can read a Greek and Slavonic text side by side and they don't match. In translation to English they aren't going to match either.

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    3. HabashiMarch 13, 2018 at 4:45 PM

      Thanks for the clarification. I guess I just miss the BCP 😒

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  8. IosifMarch 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM

    Romanian liturgical texts differ also, despite having an autocephalous church for over 100 years:

    "Glory" can be either Slavă or Mărire

    "the evil one" from the Lord's prayer can be either "cel rău" or "cel viclean"

    There are also two very different translations of the Paraklesis of the Mother of God, one following an older text
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-cb1A92g44
    and one made to fit better the Byzantine music
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEA4Zi4gylQ

    So this has nothing to do with phyletism, it is just a sign of the healthy "diversity in unity" one finds in Orthodoxy

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  9. James Ignatius McAuleyMarch 13, 2018 at 2:59 PM

    This is a beautiful book. I hope to get a copy. I like Father's artwork. I am glad it is in plain noble english. Thank you, Father for posting this.

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