"I am the door. By me if any man enter in he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture." - John 10:9 At every parish where I have had the pleasure of attending services, there is always a small group of people who find their way all the way up to the church building but don't actually attend services. At one parish it was a group of male gypsies who talked on cellphones or smoked cigarettes. At another it was a few Protestant husbands who, though they never attended services, opened the parish doors for people as they filed in. At yet another parish the men stood in the narthex and chatted until it was time to receive and then got in line. Latin or Greek Catholic, Eastern or Oriental Orthodox I see the same small throng of men standing next to the front door, but not standing, sitting, or kneeling amongst the people. If it were me (and I can only speak for myself here) this option would be an unsavory one. The boredom would be immediate. The anxiety of som...
Wasn’t there a joint commission set up to discuss the Croatian cardinal? And didn’t John Paul 2 apologize for the atrocities of The crusades? I think there are also intra orthodox problems in Ukraine that can’t be pinned on the UGCC
ReplyDeleteThat is the thing about the Old World, they claim to forgive and yet....pick at the 800 year old scab and see if we can make it bleed again.
ReplyDeleteBravo to both Tom and Bozo2U!
ReplyDeleteThere are problems between the Churches but when do we forgive and when do we grow up? Does Christ's prayer for unity mean nothing?
These are really worn out arguments. The real problem is that certain Patriarchs (many years) simply do not want unity. They will be sorely disappointed, as the Lord will have His way.
ReplyDeleteJonathan is correct regarding the fact that this is a worn out argument. In fact, there is no argument at all. The Holy Orthodox Church is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. The Latin Church separated more than a thousand years ago and since that time.....they have adopted many innovations and heresies. The true Church is not able to unite with a heretical organization. Rome would have to renounce Her heresies and innovations and beg for forgiveness.
ReplyDeleteThis isn't about "forgiving" someone-- it's about what the truth is. The true faith taught for a thousand years that the eternal hypostatic origin of the Holy Spirit is the Father alone, and interpreted the Gospel sayings of Christ in this way. St. John Damascene recorded this, among many others. If a single letter (homoiousios) could render the truth into heresy, how much more this innovation? Aquinas actually makes bold to cite Maimonides against St. John of Damascus on this point. The Latins doubled down on the error and attempted a style of primacy never before contemplated by the canons, and this after the political fragmentation of the empire.
ReplyDelete" this after the political fragmentation of the empire. "
ReplyDeleteKey. Both the west (Rome/Protestantism) and this Church of the East we are a part are still grappling with the fragmentation and dissolution of the Empire.