Is the male-only priesthood a discipline or essential to the nature of being a priest? Sr. Vassa (again unflinchingly taking up a contentious topic by climbing up the ladder to the highest platform and then jumping into the deep end head first) dives right in and says there is no reason beyond personal preference to not have female clergy. You know, when people ask me about women in priesthood, they say, 'Sister, why can't women be priests?' And I say, 'Women CAN be priests. We don't WANT them to be priests.' Because you see, God can do anything, and the Church, by divine authority, uh, can do anything, but, the Church doesn't want to - and that's a legitimate reason. What I don't like is when we TRY to pretend that there are other reasons for this, because it's legitimate not to want something, and there are reasons not to want this - right? - but, we shouldn't pretent that there's some... reason, that, for example, the maleness...
Most of the fathers who opposed contraception also opposed any act not aimed at procreation. Therefore "natural family planning" would be just as sinful as other forms of contraception.
ReplyDeleteinterestingly, you are more interested in condoms than in ongoing anti-Christ children abuse in your country. that requires a special kind of mind
ReplyDeleteWhat are anti-Christ children?
DeleteIs this an argument where I can't be concerned of one thing because another larger thing is going on? Much like when people getting a traffic ticket start ranting at police officers about real crimes going on.
In 1987 Bishop Kallistos visited Seattle and was interviewed by a local newspaper. WHen asked about an Orthodox opinion on birth control he told about the first edition of his book and the position reflected there. He said that no sooner was the book published he began getting input from bishops, clergy --- people with a lot more pastoral experience than he had. They seem to have said not so fast, here's what life is like outside the books. His later comments were written after considering that information including his own experiences in being a pastor. Smart man. He also showed pretty poor judgement in his recent remarks.
ReplyDeleteMy view is that Met. Kallistos is a moderately conservative member of the Church of England's Byzantine Rite.
ReplyDeleteNow that's a zinger.
DeleteA much loved and now elderly Orthodox priest told me how, years ago, he had gone to an ecumenical pilgrimage to Glastonbury (England) while he was a deacon. A very grand Anglican lady came up to him and said "You must be a Byzantine Rite Anglican"! He never went on that pilgrimage again.
DeleteBut the point is that for many senior Anglicans, the Orthodox in England are seen as ritualist "Anglicans in disguise" and I'm sorry to say that Metropolitan Kallistos just feeds into that distortion to the point when he actually starts to disseminate Anglican errors.
Lord have mercy.
Well said John.
ReplyDeleteThe clear teaching of the Orthodox Churches in prior centuries is that artificial contraception is a serious sin. Today, no Orthodox jurisdiction maintains this teaching. In fact, many teach that the use of artificial contraception is a virtue within marriage. Many teach the use of artificial contraception as responsible.
ReplyDeleteThis isn't "softening." This is teaching the opposite. This is teaching what was considered a grave injury to our relationship with our Creator and to our spouse is now an indispensable salve.
Considering that many forms of artificial contraception are abortifacient, this also calls into question the teaching on abortion.
If artificial contraception is "responsible" then abortion, which is always connected to many forms of artificial contraception must also be a virtue.
Agree 100%.
DeleteAdvocates of "Natural family planning" have no right to accuse anyone else of revisionism.
DeleteRevisionism. Pshaw.
DeleteBy all means explain how to reconcile it with the patristic stance that non-procreative sex is sinful.
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DeleteIn modernity where nothing is a gift from God unless it aligns with one's own will, all such teachings, indeed the Cross itself is a stumbling block and must be changed.
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