"I am the door. By me if any man enter in he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture." - John 10:9 At every parish where I have had the pleasure of attending services, there is always a small group of people who find their way all the way up to the church building but don't actually attend services. At one parish it was a group of male gypsies who talked on cellphones or smoked cigarettes. At another it was a few Protestant husbands who, though they never attended services, opened the parish doors for people as they filed in. At yet another parish the men stood in the narthex and chatted until it was time to receive and then got in line. Latin or Greek Catholic, Eastern or Oriental Orthodox I see the same small throng of men standing next to the front door, but not standing, sitting, or kneeling amongst the people. If it were me (and I can only speak for myself here) this option would be an unsavory one. The boredom would be immediate. The anxiety of som...
It has been a year already since the Holy and Great Council was convened and the Orthodox Church in Russia together with the Orthodox Church in Georgia and in Bulgaria did not attend and did criticise the ecumenical position in the texts of the Council and insist that Catholic and Protestant heretics cannot be defined as "Churches".
ReplyDeleteBut here in the article that you posted and looking back on the joint statement between Kyrill of Moscow and Francis of Rome in Cuba, the word "Churches" and even the word as "brother" were very evident on the texts. Can someone make me understand these confusing statements from the prelates of the Moscow Patriarchates.
You need to drop your conviction that the Moscow patriarchate is less ecumenical than the Ecumenical Patriarchate. They may differ in style, but their relations with the Catholic Church are more-less on the same level.
DeleteThe MP is less blatant only because the mass of people would revolt.
DeleteTo Mike and Maximus... still does not answer my question... the part on which MP called RC as a "Church" and I would assume same for mainstream Christian Churches like the Oriental Churches and Episcopal Church in relation to their objection in one of the documents of the Holy Council. Any clergies from the MP?
DeleteI don't recall the MP ever officially rejecting the use of the word "church" for non-Orthodox churches... The Bulgarians, Georgians and conservative elements in many churches (particularly among the Greeks) did this, but their position shouldn't be conflated with Moscow's.
DeleteAs the MP receives the Catholic clergy without (re)ordaining them I do not see they consider it a problem.
DeleteAt least in Western Europe, they also receive confirmed Catholics by confession of faith.
DeleteInteresting, however, that Hilarion speaks of, and to, Melkite Greek Catholics with a very different style and substance than those employed with respect to Ukrainian Greco-Catholics...
ReplyDeleteBecause they do not consider Melkites (or Maronites for that matter) as their competitors. Same for the unrecognized Macedonian Church, with which the MP has pretty warm relations, especially when compared to the Kiev Patriarchate.
DeleteNowadays, territory is of extreme importance not the substance of the Faith. Our local churches will talk tough and break communion over territory relatively quickly, but rarely over matters pertaining to faith. Think Russia/Cnople, Jerusalem/Romania, Antioch/Jerusalem and now Serbia/Romania.
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