Saturday, September 7, 2019

Russian exarchate not as pro-Moscow as many have assumed

(Orthodoxie) - Today was held in Paris an Extraordinary General Assembly ( Statutes , Articles 35 and 28) of the Archdiocese of Russian Orthodox Churches in Western Europe. The discussion was lively and the various opinions could be exchanged. The question asked was: " Do you accept the canonical act of attachment of the Archdiocese to the Moscow Patriarchate as presented in the published document? The assembly counted 186 voters. There were 179 votes cast, six whites and one draw. The "yes" vote received 104 votes, or 58.1% of the votes cast, the "no" 75 votes, or 41.9% of the votes cast. We are waiting for the official communique of the Archbishop who will inform about what will be done.


Posted by Byzantine, TX

16 comments:

  1. TriggstarSeptember 8, 2019 at 2:35 PM

    The Statutes of the Archdiocese required a two-thirds majority, so the motion to join the Moscow Patriarchate failed.

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    1. RandySeptember 8, 2019 at 3:21 PM

      Statue 26 of the archdiocesan charter also stipulates that if a 2/3 majority is not met, then a second meeting is to be called within the next 3 months to further decide on the issue. If that meeting doesn't recieve a 4/5 majority the matter is left for the Archbishop to decide himself. So it is most likely that the issue isn't over yet, as a majority of the delegates wished to unite to the MP.

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    2. TriggstarSeptember 9, 2019 at 6:30 AM

      Jean Renneteau is however no longer the canonical bishop. He has been removed from office by the Ecumenical Patriarchate. The Locum Tenens and the only canonical Hierarch is now Metropolitan Emmanuel of France.

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    3. Samn!September 9, 2019 at 7:01 AM

      The EP still considers him a bishop, just one removed from his office as exarch and, quite ridiculously, released into the void.

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  2. rhartscSeptember 8, 2019 at 8:51 PM

    Gluttons for punishment.

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  3. John (Ad Orientem)September 8, 2019 at 11:02 PM

    I can kinda understand this. While the EP has gone completely off the deep end, Moscow has its problems too. The ROC seems to have once again become a de facto department of the government, which is currently run by some pretty corrupt people. It probably would have been better if they could have gone under the Serbians. But the Serbs are closely tied to Russia and likely don't want any drama.

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    1. RandySeptember 8, 2019 at 11:24 PM

      Idk, people always criticize the ROC for being a "government pawn" but I really dont see it. The ROC has more independence from the government now than it ever has had in the past, given the history of Russia. Even if it was controlled by the government as many liberal types claim, what supposedly goes on now would be nothing in comparison to the majority of Orthodox history, when the head of state had unimaginable influence over the church. Tell me the MP is controlled by the Russian government when Putin abolishes the Patriarchate and replaces it with a governing synod controlled by the tsar, or banishes the Patriarch to a remote island monastery and replaces him with his son.

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    2. Fr. John WhitefordSeptember 12, 2019 at 4:07 PM

      Clearly, the EP is not acting apart from the influence of the US government.

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    3. Fr. John WhitefordSeptember 12, 2019 at 4:09 PM

      See https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&sxsrf=ACYBGNQEIhjvMO3EejTO-f_QwP_1GKKvLw%3A1568322491348&source=hp&ei=u7N6XdqtEo3QtAXVr5yYBA&q=us+statement+department+Ukraine+autocephaly&oq=us+statement+department+Ukraine+autocephaly&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3660.14807..15173...0.0..0.163.3426.21j16......0....1..gws-wiz.......35i39j0j0i131j0i10j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j33i160.tcdPiGdGiNw&ved=0ahUKEwia9_LHmMzkAhUNKK0KHdUXB0MQ4dUDCAc&uact=5

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  4. Archimandrite GregorySeptember 9, 2019 at 4:30 AM

    If they want to avoid corruption then they have no place to go since the church is used as a pawn including the good ole us of a! Reference to Ukraine!

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  5. Bozo2USeptember 9, 2019 at 10:19 AM

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  6. Bozo2USeptember 9, 2019 at 10:26 AM

    Probably take at least one generation, maybe two, to wipe the stench of seventy years in Hell off all the officials of that ravaged country, as they were ALL tainted by such. America will grow in our Orthodox Traditions during that same period. God love us all.

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  7. Archimandrite GregorySeptember 9, 2019 at 1:27 PM

    From your lips to God'ears.

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  8. Archimandrite GregorySeptember 14, 2019 at 11:00 AM

    Relieved to read that Archbishop John is now under the omofor of Patriarch Kirill. I hope others in the former archdiocese will follow suit.

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  9. TriggstarSeptember 14, 2019 at 1:39 PM

    Why? Some of us wish to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

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  10. Archimandrite GregorySeptember 14, 2019 at 3:48 PM

    Of course but accoding to teachings of the holy orthodox church which He founded.

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