Is the male-only priesthood a discipline or essential to the nature of being a priest? Sr. Vassa (again unflinchingly taking up a contentious topic by climbing up the ladder to the highest platform and then jumping into the deep end head first) dives right in and says there is no reason beyond personal preference to not have female clergy. You know, when people ask me about women in priesthood, they say, 'Sister, why can't women be priests?' And I say, 'Women CAN be priests. We don't WANT them to be priests.' Because you see, God can do anything, and the Church, by divine authority, uh, can do anything, but, the Church doesn't want to - and that's a legitimate reason. What I don't like is when we TRY to pretend that there are other reasons for this, because it's legitimate not to want something, and there are reasons not to want this - right? - but, we shouldn't pretent that there's some... reason, that, for example, the maleness...
How utterly shameful and scandalous.
ReplyDeleteThe self styled Kievyn Patriarchate is indeed schismatic. But this is just plain thuggery. Shame on those participating in such acts!
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If this is true, I agree it is shameful, but considering the source of this "news" I am a bit skeptically as to whether these events happened.
DeletePerhaps we are overlooking the fact that the church in question is on a military installation, which is now no longer in Ukrainian but in Russian hands. I too would like to see more information than what comes Kyevan representative.
ReplyDeleteYes, taking this with a grain of salt is probably a good idea.
DeleteIf true, the church being part of a military installation does make a difference. Let the military deal with it and let the Russian clergy stay clear until the dust settles: sometimes, it seems that we Orthodox just can't pass up a good opportunity to look bad. :-((
Death to the infidels!!!
ReplyDelete[Not sure which side is the infidel side in this case, but whomever it is I hope they ALL CAPS DIE!!!!, because, like, middle class Americans getting invested and taking sides in Balkan entho-religious conflicts makes perfect sense, in that it allows for both self-righteous dogmatic offense taking and a the-mess-is-thousands-of-miles-away safe entertainment.]
What was a "KP" parish doing on a Ukrainian military base?
ReplyDeletePeeling potatoes, of course
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DeleteThink about it logically. If the church is on a military base, and the base changes hands from Ukrainian personnel (some of whom may be part of the Kiev Patriarchate) to Russian Personnel (whom will be canonical a Russian orthodox Christians) why would the church remain in the hands of the Kiev Patriarchate (a schismatic) group but would not have anyone to administer to? This article is very suspicious. The armed men didn't storm anything. The men are armed because they are either Military or authorized Crimean self defense units. Be wary of stories like these!
ReplyDeleteOK, so thinking logically, the MP will pay for the Church, if the KP agrees in selling it.
DeleteMissing the point entirely. And showing a lack of understanding of a military base :(
DeleteIt is helpful to not react to one report. Or to react without re-reading reports several times.
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ReplyDeleteI don't know what is more scandalous: that false reports like this are uncritically accepted in the West because they make the Russians look bad, or that American Orthodox seem in general willing to believe the worst possible interpretation of the actions of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine and Russia.
Good point!
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