"I am the door. By me if any man enter in he shall be saved, and shall go in and out and find pasture." - John 10:9 At every parish where I have had the pleasure of attending services, there is always a small group of people who find their way all the way up to the church building but don't actually attend services. At one parish it was a group of male gypsies who talked on cellphones or smoked cigarettes. At another it was a few Protestant husbands who, though they never attended services, opened the parish doors for people as they filed in. At yet another parish the men stood in the narthex and chatted until it was time to receive and then got in line. Latin or Greek Catholic, Eastern or Oriental Orthodox I see the same small throng of men standing next to the front door, but not standing, sitting, or kneeling amongst the people. If it were me (and I can only speak for myself here) this option would be an unsavory one. The boredom would be immediate. The anxiety of som...
Why is there an "Armenian Church in Canada?" Why wouldn't Armenians in Canada answer to a Canadian primate? Wasn't there something that happened in 1872 that addressed this sort of thing? I assume it was important, because when some 20-something American convert made noises about a "white" Church, he got excommunicated.
ReplyDeleteI assume, therefore, that this passes canonical muster because Canada is not a nation, which allows the Armenians to set up their own nation in the geographic coordinates known as "Canada."
Also, what is the "Diocese of the Armenian Church of Bulgaria?"
So there's a non-canonical situation in the "diaspora" lands. Most of those concerned acknowledge that it's a problem, even though they're too lazy/ossified/self-interested to get off their duffs and fix it.
ReplyDeleteAlong comes a brand-spanking new convert who claims that not only is the non-canonical situation just fine, but we need more of it. Is it really that hard to understand why he landed in ecclesial hot water? While considering conversion, I can't tell you how many times I've read that converts should keep their mouths closed for the first 5-10 years. This is a prime example of why.
The point I'm trying to make is more political than ecclesiological: diversity actually only applies to Anglo-Celts or Europeans. Everybody else gets to carry their hereditary nation with them wherever they go.
DeleteBut I do wonder how long the Armenians can keep it up. Are there really enough of them cohering in North America that they don't have to outmarry? I remember asking a Carpatho-Russian Orthodox how long he thought his diocese would be "Carpatho-Russian." He didn't answer.
Most of those concerned acknowledge that it's a problem, even though they're too lazy/ossified/self-interested to get off their duffs and fix it.
DeleteI used to think that, but now I think the answer is they truly do not care and do not intend to care, ever. This is literally the only issue worth discussing at the supposed Great Council and it's nowhere on the agenda.
We should probably just acknowledge that people want their own national Church with their own cultural expressions. People are choosing blood over geography.
I think the Armenian Apostolic Church (I am not sure of the Armenian Catholic Church is in the same boat) needs to be open to having the Liturgy in a language other than classical Armenian, if she wants to be able to evangelize to non-Armenians.
DeleteI get so sick of hearing all this yacking about the "uncanonical situation in the diaspora"... I like my bishop. I like my church. My bishop likes his flock. Why screw with it? (and no, I'm not a convert).
DeleteMany years to Bishop-elect Abgar!
ReplyDeleteAxios! Many years to him and his flock!
ReplyDelete"We should probably just acknowledge that people want their own national Church with their own cultural expressions. People are choosing blood over geography."
ReplyDeleteGet your head out of the sand. Haven't you heard about globalization and multiculturalism? And haven't the Armenians been punished enough. let them have their own church wherever they live.
You need to read my whole post, and ponder it some more.
DeleteI have "Anti-Gnostoc" and you have to face reality. We are living in a globalizd world. Haven't the poor Armenians suffered enough already.
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