Is the male-only priesthood a discipline or essential to the nature of being a priest? Sr. Vassa (again unflinchingly taking up a contentious topic by climbing up the ladder to the highest platform and then jumping into the deep end head first) dives right in and says there is no reason beyond personal preference to not have female clergy. You know, when people ask me about women in priesthood, they say, 'Sister, why can't women be priests?' And I say, 'Women CAN be priests. We don't WANT them to be priests.' Because you see, God can do anything, and the Church, by divine authority, uh, can do anything, but, the Church doesn't want to - and that's a legitimate reason. What I don't like is when we TRY to pretend that there are other reasons for this, because it's legitimate not to want something, and there are reasons not to want this - right? - but, we shouldn't pretent that there's some... reason, that, for example, the maleness...
Does this mean that if a married man or women has sexual relations they can not receive Holy Communion? What are they suppose to do? Go to confession? If yes, how does that square away with the marriage bed being undefiled? What is the Chalcedonian Orthodox view on this?
ReplyDeleteThe phrase "normal marital relations" here is surely referring to rule that married couples abstain one the night prior to taking communion on Sunday morning. It's not saying there is a problem to the married state in general. Confession has nothing to do with this because it is not a matter of sin; it is a matter of reverence for the Sacrament.
DeleteHopefully saner than this nonsense.
ReplyDeleteIt's not unheard of in Orthodoxy. Sex the day before communion and the rest have all been taken up by different churches at different times even to just the last few years.
DeleteI'm not being facetious, but trying to understand this directive: if someone has a cold and a runny nose, would he/she be considered to have bodily secretions and therefore physically unprepared to take communion?
ReplyDeleteNo. Clearly not.
DeleteIn that case, I understand the concern with "voluntary" secretions due to normal marital relations, but the argument for the others (e.g.:the menstrual cycle), as it's put forward, just does not make sense. To me, the menstrual cycle, as it's put forward in the directive above, is equivalent to other bodily secretions such as runny noses that the person has no control over.
DeleteBasically, I think the way this directive has been formulated is problematic. If you want to get into specifics, be specific (i.e. include all bodily secretions). I think it would have been better to put forward the historical and traditional thinking behind this issue, and then to leave it up to the individual spiritual father's discretion to advise the faithful.
It's a canonical issue - no reason to leave it to someone to make special distinctions on such a black and white issue. As to involuntary actions, as a priest if I pricked my finger and am bleeding I can't celebrate the Liturgy. If I cut my finger DURING the Liturgy I can't celebrate the Liturgy. Blood has always been an issue of importance treated with special deference by the Church.
DeleteThank you for clarifying the canonicity(?) of blood. I'm not well versed in the canons, so I was not aware it rose to that level.
Deletehttp://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/menses.aspx
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Aren't you supposed to abstain as part of the fast (starting midnight before you receive)?
ReplyDeleteYou're supposed to abstain the entire evening before.
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